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| Seeking: Panerai......look alikes..... | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 11:46 am |
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KenC Admin 
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Blackwind wrote: Question, due to all the information on this topic and what has been learned...what would, in the forum members opinion...be an ACCEPTABLE price for this creation? Personally I'd prefer a true ETA swiss movement....:? Unitas, along with Valjoux, is owned by ETA which, as we all know, is owned by Swatch! Again, as to Oscar's point, there is no way of knowing, since the dealer is a known replicator, whether any of the movements are Swiss or simply cheap copies.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 12:06 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 12:19 pm |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif I have never met the seller. I was given their information by a user on Watchuseek.com. I would hardly consider a website a point of evidence to support legitimacy. Working in technology I'm more then familiar with just how easy it is to prop up a webpage with every bit of “authenticity” applied. According the builder, the watch movements were obtained when Hamilton dispensed with the making of pocket watches. How exactly does one “verify and authenticate the movement?”
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 12:47 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Blackwind wrote: davidsan has a website and it's easy to see exactly what he sells out of HK....authentification is easy to provide if the movement in question is genuine...there are places in Asia where replicas are sold on every corner and owning a genuine article is questioned as to being authentic!:D it is policy of this forum and many others to not condone replicas...I have no problem with them when they are represented as such and kept in their resepected place(replica forums)but in this case no proof is made whether it is or not so therefore based on this watch as being secondary info from another site which I happen to know Ernie would never advocate fakes whether it is spelled out on the dial or otherwise.I have to believe Ernie was not aware of this being posted on his forum.:( ..again if I am wrong I apologize but based on a few minutes research I can't see this as being genuine and would stay clear especially at a price that is in the $600. range.There are many legitimate vendors selling homages which have been given in this thread and an homage will never compare to the original although I have a Italian Precista LE/Panny Radiomir homage which was made by a resepected watchmaker and is as close as you can get to one imhohand6.gif I have seen Anders/Gnomon watches Radiomir homage and can say it is a very good deal at $520. and comes from a respected dealer.My advice is do your research and stick with vendors who don't hide in the shadows. You will find this subject would not stand on any forum that has intelligent WIS onboard but since this thread started out innocent enough it stays...do a search on replicas on 3T and you will find much in regards to the subject. watch2.gif oagaspar wrote:My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 04:22 pm |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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Hamilton dispensed with making pocket watches in the late 1960's and they never (to my knowlege) used a Unitas movement. That could very well be a genuine Swiss Unitas that the seller has decorated and stamped with the Hamilton name, but the chances that it was made by the real (Pre-Swatch) Hamilton are exactly zero. RGM, is in fact using refurbished original Hamilton pocket watch movements in new wristwatches and they are really quite nice, but way above your price point. You can check them out here: http://www.rgmwatches.com/222.html
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 08:22 am |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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yea, ditto wat oscar has said. ive been researchin panerai homages for quite a while. A lot of them may look identical at first glance there r variations in the finish, little details etc2, especially movement wise, theres so many of them out there u never know which is which. Most often if the price too good to be true then one should a tad more weary. A lot of the sellers dont have any sort of warranty service, be ready to bite the short end of the stick is anything ever goes wrong. I rather pay a bit more and buy from a reputable outfit and in this case 600$ for a replica isnt that cheap imo. cool10.gifcool10.gif chris
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:39 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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All the movement pictures in this topic so far are genuine Swiss ETA movements. Hamilton uses the ETA 649x movements in their modern watches so it's likely that even that is genuine as well. I haven't seen one of the Modern Hamiltons with the 6497/8 personally so I don't know if they are signed or not but if they spent the money for the decorated movement it's likely that they had it signed too. Movement decoration is a pretty easy tell, the chinese copies have the decoration cast into the parts or "glue ons" where swiss decoration is genuine tooling decoration. I built a couple panny homages myself, got the lume right from Tritec and got my movement from Ofrei and the rest of the parts from one of those "evil" parts dealers. If your Chinese is good there are catalogs (one of the seiko parts guys on the forums has been advertising some of these parts catalogs) of Chinese parts that will give you access to everything you need without having to deal with semi legit parts dealers. Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:49 pm by OldeCrow |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:54 pm |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I like my blue faced marine diver ... eta 2824....got it from Ron at IW Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:55 pm by canadajo |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 05:27 pm |
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abrizz 3T WIS 
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I like the pam-style layered dials alot but don't really like the cases that much. Don't know why but most of them just don't have the right flow in the lines between the different parts of the case. the nonbezel part to the to the lugs. Not that fond of the crown-protector either. Wow am I getting negative all of a sudden. I do like some of th bezels that pam's have and also as I already mentioned the dialdesigns. Both with small and large second-hands. Nice picture btw canadajo
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